Curse

Commander Ryker · Apr 21, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Thank you Anet for fixing the farming nerf. Now I don't have to listen to all the whinning about it anymore. (te quero nena

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Originally Posted by 2ane

where is the challenge in makeing an invincible char (whose build you got from the Internet) and keeping to do the same thing over and over?

Where's the challenge in doing the same quests and missions over and over again? I don't like farming myself, but my partner (Dont Mess Withme) does so I can understand how someone would. Not every farmer copies from the internet, a lot of them come up with their own builds or improve on those they've found. Then there's the whole "trying it and making it work right" aspect of it. Therein lies the challenge.

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Originally Posted by 2ane

Maybe pugs would be better if guild wars players would start playing instead of farming all the time?

That's about the dumbest thing I've seen on these boards. Farming has nothing to do with pugs. Pugs suck, pure and simple. They've sucked since I started playing back in June '05 and have never improved. Of course there is the once in a blue moon pug that works out, but that is about as rare as a colossal scimitar or an elemental sword dropping.

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Originally Posted by 2ane

because everybodey does it and that ruins the game! There arent any good pugs beacause all the exp. players solo-farm, prices go down for earlyer lucky drops that are easy to farm and skyrockets for everything you cant, it makes a lot of things totally pointless

You're arguements for how it ruins the game are nonsense. Farmers have to complete the game before they can farm. The skyrocketing prices are due to things that the farmers can't farm easily.

the_jos · Apr 21, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

I, a non-farming player, was wondering about the 'farm' nerf yesterday. This morning, I found out about the reversion of some items.
I think this is a good thing, I was getting worried about some parts of the ecomomy.
Especially the parts of 15K armor.
That's not only the Obsidian armor, but most other 15K's.
I make enough gold and crafting materials by regular play to afford those.
But reducing the drops would have a negative impact on the market.
Less drops would mean less people selling to trader, that's less supply.
But, I still can afford the armor, that's same demand.

Less supply + same demand = higher prices.
That's specially true for the materials that can't be crafted.
Those don't have a cap, the others do.

The same is more or less true for high end weapons.
Not that I care about the 100k + X ecto ones, but the golds have the most chance of getting a good weapon upgrade.
Perfect weapon upgrades would skyrocket.

The few times I farmed UW/FoW with someone in my guild, my main income was gold (money) drops and whites.
The rest was extra and did not drop always, like shards and ecto.
I think the same is true for most other areas.

Farmers are still hit, I think.

2ane · Apr 21, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

No I wouldn't, which is why I bought Guild Wars. It allows me to play as I see fit, when I want. Just like it allows you to play as you want. You seem to think I ONLY solo farm.

problem is YOUR playing style affects others

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

It has been asserted in MANY threads on the subject that yes, farmers are indeed a minority. And the quality of MOST PUGs would not increase, because all of the experienced solo farmers would only play with other experienced solo farmers, because who wants to play with a bunch of incompetents?

speculation, also i dont think many solo farmers are actually good at guild wars since they only use a pre-set of farmin skills...

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Why should something that rewards ingenuity, skill and timing be removed? I can solo masters most mission by Ctrl+Shift+Space my selected party of Heroes and Henches. I cannot do that when farming. Soloing SHOULD give better rewards because the math is simple, 1 Player doing the work of 8 should receive 8 times the rewards. Unless you're a union member or devout socialist.

because it actually doesnt need skill or anything, its just learning and repeat...
Whats the problem with unions?

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

most people want gold for one of two things, to get prestige armor (the materials for it or simply crafting cost), or to buy super rare items. In the case of the former, if gold is rare but the price of armor remains static, then the actual value of the armor skyrockets. In the case of the latter, people will always desire rare skins, so while the ACTUAL price of a sword may drop from 100k to 20k, if gold is 5 times as hard to come by, nothing has really changed.

I'm unsure what you meant about greens, suffice to say that without solo farming, you'd still be paying 50-75k for totem axes, instead of 5k.

Armor is easy to get without farming (i got 8 prestige), Yes a lot has changed since people arent forced to farm solo to get the gold for those rares...

greens should be expensive since they are perfect and hard to get (if you dont farm them)

totem axes were always easy to get (even in groups)

Akaraxle · Apr 21, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

I'm unsure what you meant about greens, suffice to say that without solo farming, you'd still be paying 50-75k for totem axes, instead of 5k.

Bullcrap. Shut up. Without solo farming, we'd be playing in groups of 8 and getting 8 times as many drops. Remember why UW drops were destroyed back in '05, hello hello?

cebalrai · Apr 21, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Sooo.... I don't get it. People can still solo UW and FoW which is supposed to be a challenge for 8 people.

Meanwhile, if I want to do a little Kirin run now and again, I can't.

I really hope there's some kind of AI update or something that makes it virtually impossible to solo UW/FoW/etc. I suspect there will be.

Kaleban · Apr 21, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by 2ane

problem is YOUR playing style affects others

Armor is easy to get without farming (i got 8 prestige), Yes a lot has changed since people arent forced to farm solo to get the gold for those rares...

greens should be expensive since they are perfect and hard to get (if you dont farm them)

totem axes were always easy to get (even in groups)

I'm only going to respond to this bit, because it amuses me.

In what way does my playing style hurt others? Especially considering how you don't solo farm and yet have more prestige armor than I? If that's true, then you just proved that farming doesn't affect non-farmers. GG

No one is forced to do anything in Guild Wars luckily, although you and others seem bound and determined to change that. You know what else is perfect and EASY to get? Collector items. And through normal gameplay you'll amass a vast quantity of mods, enabling you to re-create these super unique rares and greens if you wish.

You just don't get the super valued (perception) skin. And that's your choice, isn't it?

And if totem axes are easy to get, why do people still need them and pay in game gold for them? Why don't they all just go get one? Perhaps because the run there and specific skillset and useage is beyond the average PUG member? Your logic fails at every turn, yet you continue to suggest that my playstyle is invalid and I should change to suit your way of doing things. Why not you change to my way?

Which is more fair? To let everyone play the way they want, or to force one segment or the other to conform to one way of doing things?

Kaleban · Apr 21, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Bullcrap. Shut up. Without solo farming, we'd be playing in groups of 8 and getting 8 times as many drops. Remember why UW drops were destroyed back in '05, hello hello?

Lol.

So you're saying you think ANet would have increased the drop rate by a squared factor if they got rid of solo farming somehow?

So that every person in a group of 8 would get the same number of drops as a soloer before?

Haha lol. Even I think that's rediculous.

Look, how about you play the game your way, I'll play it mine, and everyone is happy? The only reason this is such a big issue is because ANet tried something that many didn't appreciate, and I still don't understand, and no one has cared to explain why its ok that my sometime playstyle is wrong and should be removed, while yours isn't? IS THAT FAIR?

2ane · Apr 21, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

I'm only going to respond to this bit, because it amuses me.

In what way does my playing style hurt others? Especially considering how you don't solo farm and yet have more prestige armor than I? If that's true, then you just proved that farming doesn't affect non-farmers. GG

it affects my playing! I want the pugs to return especially in foe/uw (I never even saw all of the UW since its impossible to find real groups to go there) and i fear the idea of a GW:EN featuring 18 new solo-farming areas and no way to get a decent group to play.

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

No one is forced to do anything in Guild Wars luckily, although you and others seem bound and determined to change that. You know what else is perfect and EASY to get? Collector items. And through normal gameplay you'll amass a vast quantity of mods, enabling you to re-create these super unique rares and greens if you wish.

You just don't get the super valued (perception) skin. And that's your choice, isn't it?

Well i cant get those because i dont farm solo and others do!

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

And if totem axes are easy to get, why do people still need them and pay in game gold for them?

Why don't they all just go get one? Perhaps because the run there and specific skillset and useage is beyond the average PUG member?

i did a run once and got 2 so i think every pug could get them...

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Your logic fails at every turn, yet you continue to suggest that my playstyle is invalid and I should change to suit your way of doing things. Why not you change to my way?

Which is more fair? To let everyone play the way they want, or to force one segment or the other to conform to one way of doing things?

cuz your way is wrong

Inari · Apr 21, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

The only reason this is such a big issue is because ANet tried something that many didn't appreciate, and I still don't understand, and no one has cared to explain why its ok that my sometime playstyle is wrong and should be removed, while yours isn't? IS THAT FAIR?

Becasue they are jealous and lazy. And I'll say it a million times more.
I was against solo farmers before, and now I really don't know why everyone hates them so much. There is seriously no GOOD reason.

And yes, lots and lots of solo-farmers play with other people all the time.
And I know that I wouldnt wanna play with people who hate other people's playing style with NO good reason.

Chestnut · Apr 21, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Thanks A.net for listening.

I still don't understand why you don't just ban the ad bots in Asclaon City ID 1 spamming "Buy gold from our website..." ...

Crotalus · Apr 21, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by kumarshah

Huh...

Arenanet has been for the longest time sending messages that encourage solo-farming.

Go ahead and make a topic about needing more gold for you character(s). Within the first five post someone somewhere will tell you to 'just go farm <an area that is farmable>' regardless whether you enjoy such an activity or not.

I am not complaining because i find it hilarious that Arenanet will continue to treat the symptoms rather than cure the disease(bots).

The Thursday's update was one step closer to curing the disease, IHMO.

Kaleban · Apr 21, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by 2ane

it affects my playing! I want the pugs to return especially in foe/uw (I never even saw all of the UW since its impossible to find real groups to go there) and i fear the idea of a GW:EN featuring 18 new solo-farming areas and no way to get a decent group to play.

I suppose its easier to ignore fact and believe the fiction. PUGs never left, they're all over the place. Experienced players won't tolerate PUG incompetence, so you will have a division of skill regardless of farming or not. PUG suckitude is not a result of farming, please understand this.

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Originally Posted by 2ane

Well i cant get those because i dont farm solo and others do!

And how is that the fault of the farmers? Maybe you should solo farm? I highly doubt you'll get a 15>50 20/20 +30 hp Crystalline Sword by getting Masters reward in Imperial Sanctum mission in your blessed PUG...

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Originally Posted by 2ane

i did a run once and got 2 so i think every pug could get them...

So you DO farm? Nice to know you're a hypocrite, makes arguing with you much easier.

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Originally Posted by 2ane

cuz your way is wrong

I guess this is just icing on the cake of your inability to reason. My WHOLE point is that no one playstyle is wrong, and that to pigeonhole a group of players because other players (or even the devs) thinks is wrong is a huge problem. I bought Guild Wars because it specifically advertised that I could play HOW I wanted with no monthly subscription fees, and yes I understand the irony of bi-annual campaigns/expansion equaling out the pay to play economic model, or nearly so.

But if a player or dev makes it impossible for me to play as I want, because those people are selfish, arrogant, or just plain mean spirited, then they will lose a customer. Its not a threat, just fact. Allow me to play as I want, and I'll happily shell out the cash for EN and 2. Force me to be like 2ane, and I'll be gone, and you can have him.

Messy · Apr 21, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by 2ane

i dont like what Guild Wars has become...

Does that mean you are going to quit the game??? woot

<--- hands you a mirror

It's because of people like you why I avoid Pugs.

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

(te quero nena )

WOOT, online flirt, love it

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 21, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.

....And for that, Thank You Arenanet.

That type of statement is why many people were anti-solo farming. While it is one way to play, it is ignorant to state it is the only way to play. Then again "Ignorance is Bliss"

Burton2000 · Apr 21, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Well im happy that they've reveresed this change means i will still be able to get new armour and stuff as I never have time to power trade or anything like that as im pvping all the time.

Pakana · Apr 21, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Sooo.... I don't get it. People can still solo UW and FoW which is supposed to be a challenge for 8 people.

Meanwhile, if I want to do a little Kirin run now and again, I can't.

You can't solo WHOLE UW or FoW. The solo builds only solo parts of those areas. And soloing those areas is easy because there are lot's of the same monsters in mob groups. For example groups made of only aatxes or only smite crawlers and so on. Soloing against such mobs isn't a big deal.

2ane · Apr 21, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Does that mean you are going to quit the game??? woot

<--- hands you a mirror

It's because of people like you why I avoid Pugs.

im not quitting, im gonna play the hard mode with my guild (and some heroes most of the time since its impossible to find players to join) and ill play GW:EN... if it sucks THEN ill quit...

you shouldnt avoid me in a pug

grottoftl · Apr 21, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by 2ane

it affects my playing!

everyone should play the game how they want to and should not be penalize for it. just because they play a different style DOES NOT EFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, get that through your head! for anyone who hates the way that another person plays and should only play their way, youre doing nothing but trying to turn this game into a totalitarian community

Crotalus · Apr 21, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

That type of statement is why many people were anti-solo farming. While it is one way to play, it is ignorant to state it is the only way to play. Then again "Ignorance is Bliss"

I never stated that solo farming is the only way to play. That is the message Arenanet sent to the community. (This opinion is not entirely based on this update but the skill acquisition, armor grind, and green items/weapons.)

2ane · Apr 21, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

everyone should play the game how they want to and should not be penalize for it. just because they play a different style DOES NOT EFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, get that through your head! for anyone who hates the way that another person plays and should only play their way, youre doing nothing but trying to turn this game into a totalitarian community

its a multiplayer game, of course it affects me if everybody gets way more gold because they farm solo or if its impossible to get a pug for uw because nobody does groups there...